#1 | 21 April 2011, 2:21 AM
As I am, or was now, stoked about Portal 2. Granted that the game's been out for a few days, or what ever.
I can't help myself but to look at what people want to say about it.
I ran into this one thing on my own normal check of Notch's (Minecraft) blog ( The Word of Notch ) that he beat the game in 7 hours.
Portal 2, something that's 50 USD, brand new. Hyped and everything. 7 hours of gameplay.
7 fucking hours.
To be honest, in a year or so when the price drops to maybe $20, I might get it.
ridiculous to think that; yes, the game's gone through alot of development since the first one. But really, I'm starting to smell the reek of L4D2, which really should have been the content expansion for L4D1.
Like the L4D series, it seems already that Portal 2 is the exact same game but with a few new features.
These genre of games now-a-days, I think, are focusing waaaay too much on visual aspects rather then actual gameplay time. Now I haven't played any of the Mass Effect games, but hearing of what I heard from people that have played them, played them with finish times with DAYS. Something I expect with games similar to the Final Fantasy series, naturally I don't own any consoles right now, so I seemed to have dodged the bullet of FF13 (er what ever one that it was that apparently SUCKED, again the argument for me again, visuals vs content-gameplay)
True, back in the day (god starting to sound old now) when I had a PS2, and FFX came out, I and alot of people were going 'wow! yay! A neat lookin Final Fantasy!'. Sure 10 was ok, but there you go with the inevitable downfall. 12 sucked, I got bored of that stupidity very quickly, even if I was about 2-3 years late picking up that game. "Hey look I can avoid EVERY RANDOM BATTLE!"
But still, I think with the games out right now, no wonder a game like Minecraft suddenly becomes popular like a ravaging beast that slaughters the poor villagers in towns among the countryside in Transylvania growing international attention (shoot at least zero punctuation got it right with this one), open end-ness of that title wrapped around purposefully crappy graphics, then suddenly the developer noticed that he's a millionaire (literally) overnight.
Next you have the other game I enjoy playing alot, Natural Selection, a first person shooter with RTS elements. It's not visually special now a days, and showing its age to an extent where its starting to die off with all of these 'new flashy games' out now, I still think that the sequel is going to be balls, even if 90+% of the people whom own the game have the special edition.
It's just not going to be the same game I'm afraid, sure there's the same creatures and what not, but again, Unknown Worlds is putting on their 'let's make a lovely looking game!', which if they managed to squeeze out the couple thousand dollars to buy rights to use Valve's Source engine, that way they might not want to pound so much in crafting this apparent masterpiece of a game. And I'd be enjoying playing it a year ago.
So I regress, I don't think I'll ever buy a 7 hour game for 50 bucks, as I'm sure that Modern Warfare 2 was with its single player, at least people enjoy the multiplayer (until some 12 year old who's parents should've smacked the hell out of them when he got a microphone for his xbox 360) just like any other FPS game with muliplayer abilities. I think these developers now a days are focusing way too much on visuals than content that is too under drawn out.
Guess thats why I like the classics :/
I can't help myself but to look at what people want to say about it.
I ran into this one thing on my own normal check of Notch's (Minecraft) blog ( The Word of Notch ) that he beat the game in 7 hours.
Portal 2, something that's 50 USD, brand new. Hyped and everything. 7 hours of gameplay.
7 fucking hours.
To be honest, in a year or so when the price drops to maybe $20, I might get it.
ridiculous to think that; yes, the game's gone through alot of development since the first one. But really, I'm starting to smell the reek of L4D2, which really should have been the content expansion for L4D1.
Like the L4D series, it seems already that Portal 2 is the exact same game but with a few new features.
These genre of games now-a-days, I think, are focusing waaaay too much on visual aspects rather then actual gameplay time. Now I haven't played any of the Mass Effect games, but hearing of what I heard from people that have played them, played them with finish times with DAYS. Something I expect with games similar to the Final Fantasy series, naturally I don't own any consoles right now, so I seemed to have dodged the bullet of FF13 (er what ever one that it was that apparently SUCKED, again the argument for me again, visuals vs content-gameplay)
True, back in the day (god starting to sound old now) when I had a PS2, and FFX came out, I and alot of people were going 'wow! yay! A neat lookin Final Fantasy!'. Sure 10 was ok, but there you go with the inevitable downfall. 12 sucked, I got bored of that stupidity very quickly, even if I was about 2-3 years late picking up that game. "Hey look I can avoid EVERY RANDOM BATTLE!"
But still, I think with the games out right now, no wonder a game like Minecraft suddenly becomes popular like a ravaging beast that slaughters the poor villagers in towns among the countryside in Transylvania growing international attention (shoot at least zero punctuation got it right with this one), open end-ness of that title wrapped around purposefully crappy graphics, then suddenly the developer noticed that he's a millionaire (literally) overnight.
Next you have the other game I enjoy playing alot, Natural Selection, a first person shooter with RTS elements. It's not visually special now a days, and showing its age to an extent where its starting to die off with all of these 'new flashy games' out now, I still think that the sequel is going to be balls, even if 90+% of the people whom own the game have the special edition.
It's just not going to be the same game I'm afraid, sure there's the same creatures and what not, but again, Unknown Worlds is putting on their 'let's make a lovely looking game!', which if they managed to squeeze out the couple thousand dollars to buy rights to use Valve's Source engine, that way they might not want to pound so much in crafting this apparent masterpiece of a game. And I'd be enjoying playing it a year ago.
So I regress, I don't think I'll ever buy a 7 hour game for 50 bucks, as I'm sure that Modern Warfare 2 was with its single player, at least people enjoy the multiplayer (until some 12 year old who's parents should've smacked the hell out of them when he got a microphone for his xbox 360) just like any other FPS game with muliplayer abilities. I think these developers now a days are focusing way too much on visuals than content that is too under drawn out.
Guess thats why I like the classics :/
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#3 | 23 April 2011, 2:54 AM
It took me like five hours last night to do a straight through run of the co-op missions with someone. Was rather quite fun and interesting. Now I gotta do single player.
By the way, if one does get the game, it sounds like they should get it for PS3. You buy it for that, you also get it for PC (I think you link your PSN with Steam, which gives it to you)
The only big turn off, if you ask me, is the option to buy things for multiplayer like different gestures that you can do instead of the default, or hats. Cuz everyone wants to buy hats for all their valve games.
Hat Simulator 2, that's what you can call the multiplayer part of it.
By the way, if one does get the game, it sounds like they should get it for PS3. You buy it for that, you also get it for PC (I think you link your PSN with Steam, which gives it to you)
The only big turn off, if you ask me, is the option to buy things for multiplayer like different gestures that you can do instead of the default, or hats. Cuz everyone wants to buy hats for all their valve games.
Hat Simulator 2, that's what you can call the multiplayer part of it.
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#4 | 24 April 2011, 1:09 AM
Hmmm, when talking about Portal 2 specifically, it took me around 12 hours to beat the single player campaign. Haven't tried the co-op one yet. Not really sure how someone can beat it in 7 hours, unless they decided to skip a large amount of hilarious dialogue and easter eggs.
Having said that, 12 hours is still not very long - considering my own gaming habits it basically amounts to two, or maybe three days of playing the game. However, when you compare it to the 3 hour long Portal (1), it's a big improvement. In the end the most important factor for me was that the game was just too hilarious not to be replayed once more - so two more days of fun (and education, since I replayed it with the developer commentary on).
Even with all that I do agree that it probably isn't worth $60 (or in my case €60), but in my personal opinion no game is. €30? Maybe, in extremely rare cases when a game is at least 50 hours long and/or has great replay value.
I also have to agree that the games today are going way too much in the direction of an interactive movie. The final boss fight in Bulletstorm was nothing more than an interactive cinematic, for example. And there were several "interactive cinematic" moments while playing Crysis 2 where I had to press a button to crawl, then press it again to crawl some more and then press another button to jump, or get up, or whatever, all the while I'm thinking "If I wanted a movie, I'd watch a movie!! And if I wanted an interactive movie, well, I hear they make those too nowadays, so I'd just get one of those!!! Let me play the friggin' game!"
Having said that, 12 hours is still not very long - considering my own gaming habits it basically amounts to two, or maybe three days of playing the game. However, when you compare it to the 3 hour long Portal (1), it's a big improvement. In the end the most important factor for me was that the game was just too hilarious not to be replayed once more - so two more days of fun (and education, since I replayed it with the developer commentary on).
Even with all that I do agree that it probably isn't worth $60 (or in my case €60), but in my personal opinion no game is. €30? Maybe, in extremely rare cases when a game is at least 50 hours long and/or has great replay value.
I also have to agree that the games today are going way too much in the direction of an interactive movie. The final boss fight in Bulletstorm was nothing more than an interactive cinematic, for example. And there were several "interactive cinematic" moments while playing Crysis 2 where I had to press a button to crawl, then press it again to crawl some more and then press another button to jump, or get up, or whatever, all the while I'm thinking "If I wanted a movie, I'd watch a movie!! And if I wanted an interactive movie, well, I hear they make those too nowadays, so I'd just get one of those!!! Let me play the friggin' game!"
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#5 | 24 April 2011, 2:16 AM
I haven't played Portal 2 yet so I can't really comment about it... however, on the whole "value for money" issue, I think there are a lot of factors in play when it comes to these kinds of things.
I'll give the example of Dead Space 2, a game you all know I absolutely love. The game itself is about 15 hours if you REALLY take your time, but people can easily get through it within 12 hours.
Now, DS2 has excellent pacing and I personally feel that the length of the game is just right. It'd be awesome to have more Dead Space, but the truth is that if they drew the story out any longer it would've impacted negatively on the entire game.
What they did do on the other hand is increase the re-playability of the game. It may take less than 12 hours to complete, but I completed the game three times in a row.
So I guess, with Portal 2, I ask... what does the total of the content amount to? The content found in Dead Space 2 was enough for me to think the game was worth it... and we Australians have to pay a fucktonne more than you guys do for your games.
I'll give the example of Dead Space 2, a game you all know I absolutely love. The game itself is about 15 hours if you REALLY take your time, but people can easily get through it within 12 hours.
Now, DS2 has excellent pacing and I personally feel that the length of the game is just right. It'd be awesome to have more Dead Space, but the truth is that if they drew the story out any longer it would've impacted negatively on the entire game.
What they did do on the other hand is increase the re-playability of the game. It may take less than 12 hours to complete, but I completed the game three times in a row.
So I guess, with Portal 2, I ask... what does the total of the content amount to? The content found in Dead Space 2 was enough for me to think the game was worth it... and we Australians have to pay a fucktonne more than you guys do for your games.
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#7 | 2 May 2011, 1:48 PM
For what it's worth, I've played the co-op campaign, it took my roommate and I about 6-7 hours, and I haven't touched the SP part yet, also in traditional Valve procedure they're releasing some free DLC shit in June? maybe July, Ionno, can't be bothered to find the press release.
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#11 | 4 May 2011, 6:45 AM
Surprised that Valve gives away stuff for free/cheap?
You know, nothing was stopping you from holding back and waiting till Portal 2 was inevitably cheaper through a sale or just price markdowns. It's not going any where and you know they were any way.
The premium price is because they're a company, not a charity. They released something which they invested quite a bit in and released it at a price that people still bought into. But that price won't continue forever.
You know, nothing was stopping you from holding back and waiting till Portal 2 was inevitably cheaper through a sale or just price markdowns. It's not going any where and you know they were any way.
The premium price is because they're a company, not a charity. They released something which they invested quite a bit in and released it at a price that people still bought into. But that price won't continue forever.
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#12 | 4 May 2011, 8:28 AM
Yes, yes I am surprised that Valve is giving away stuff for free.
look at portal 1, and look at left4dead 1. alot of people complained about l4d2 because it was supposed to be a content expansion for l4d1.
relatively, l4d 2 and portal 2 are the same games as their predecessors, they all have same engine, maybe abit polished up but still the same engine. just new content.
and yes there was nothing holding me back to hold off. i just watch too many youtube videos about the darn game.
look at portal 1, and look at left4dead 1. alot of people complained about l4d2 because it was supposed to be a content expansion for l4d1.
relatively, l4d 2 and portal 2 are the same games as their predecessors, they all have same engine, maybe abit polished up but still the same engine. just new content.
and yes there was nothing holding me back to hold off. i just watch too many youtube videos about the darn game.
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#13 | 4 May 2011, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Kuuki 
Yes, yes I am surprised that Valve is giving away stuff for free.look at portal 1, and look at left4dead 1. alot of people complained about l4d2 because it was supposed to be a content expansion for l4d1.
relatively, l4d 2 and portal 2 are the same games as their predecessors, they all have same engine, maybe abit polished up but still the same engine. just new content.
and yes there was nothing holding me back to hold off. i just watch too many youtube videos about the darn game.
, they are giving us tons of free stuff with L4D2 including all the l4d1 campaigns and extra campaigns all for free.I haven't played Portal 2 yet but from everything I hear it's different enough from the first one. Having the same engine as something doesn't mean anything, you could say that about any game series. "Just new content" is what most sequels are.
I just paid $30 for Portal 2 so you can stop complaining about having to pay full price, if you did it's your own fault as preorders for the game were only $35 at tons of places.
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#14 | 4 May 2011, 5:11 PM
thx moel. thx.
Hey Metal man, weren't you apart of that same steam group as I was back a few years ago, the one the expressed the discontent about the info about l4d2 coming out (at that time) when loads of people were expecting l3d1 content?
anyway,
unless valve released more content for l4d2 (that i've missed), as far as I know that l4d2 only has 1 campaign from l4d1 (the hospital one).
well, ok. Ill give it on the whole aspect of the same engine deal. they're going with what works and still works. But, lets look at Jedi Knight 2 Jedi Academy, people want to tell me that thats a Jedi Knight 3, (in that time, and especially now) thats no JK3, just added features onto the same engine. Hell the damn game has the same logo as JK2 in it . >.>
But still to this day I consider it as a stand alone expansion. Crap, so I threw myself into this pitfall here of contradicting myself now, but still my argument was more on the content vs 'omg its pretty' deal. Silly god damn me for caving in, but say what you want, I damn well know that I've read the articles about the DLC for l4d1 years ago, and then I got pissed about Valve canceling it to make l4d2, I did join the steam group that had thousands of people on there also pissed off about it as well.
Hey Metal man, weren't you apart of that same steam group as I was back a few years ago, the one the expressed the discontent about the info about l4d2 coming out (at that time) when loads of people were expecting l3d1 content?
anyway,
unless valve released more content for l4d2 (that i've missed), as far as I know that l4d2 only has 1 campaign from l4d1 (the hospital one).
well, ok. Ill give it on the whole aspect of the same engine deal. they're going with what works and still works. But, lets look at Jedi Knight 2 Jedi Academy, people want to tell me that thats a Jedi Knight 3, (in that time, and especially now) thats no JK3, just added features onto the same engine. Hell the damn game has the same logo as JK2 in it . >.>
But still to this day I consider it as a stand alone expansion. Crap, so I threw myself into this pitfall here of contradicting myself now, but still my argument was more on the content vs 'omg its pretty' deal. Silly god damn me for caving in, but say what you want, I damn well know that I've read the articles about the DLC for l4d1 years ago, and then I got pissed about Valve canceling it to make l4d2, I did join the steam group that had thousands of people on there also pissed off about it as well.
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#15 | 4 May 2011, 5:16 PM
You're a spoilt child and Valve has spoiled you rotten.
I'm hearing the same kind of stuff being said about the new Assassin's Creed game coming out. Wow, Ubisoft is making more Ass Creed goodness and people don't want it because it's too soon?
Yup, make too many good games at once and your fanbase will whine about it.
So yeah, spoilt brats.
I'm hearing the same kind of stuff being said about the new Assassin's Creed game coming out. Wow, Ubisoft is making more Ass Creed goodness and people don't want it because it's too soon?
Yup, make too many good games at once and your fanbase will whine about it.
So yeah, spoilt brats.
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#16 | 5 May 2011, 2:36 AM
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Sorry this is crap. L4D2 wasn't "supposed" to be a content expansion for the first game, they never promised anything like that. It's entitled gamers who were expecting the TF2 treatment for the game when the reality is they could not have made L4D2 an expansion for 1 and still included everything they did. And now after all the bitching that apparently people are still doing , they are giving us tons of free stuff with L4D2 including all the l4d1 campaigns and extra campaigns all for free.
The only thing I'm really ranting about is they still have promised stuff for the first, and all they have released is one campaign. If you compare that to what they have released for the second game...
I actually like the wiki setup for L4D2, there's a lot of external links that explains the backstory about the boycott (Left 4 Dead 2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
Either way, I have both. Only reason I bought the second was it was so cheap it made me decide.
Also I caught Kuuki playing Portal 2
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#18 | 19 May 2011, 4:10 AM
... I just wanted to post a little snippet from Skype...
[4:06:23 AM] Lynk: News station: Portal 2 is offensive to orphans- Destructoid AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
[4:06:33 AM] Lynk: KIDS VIDEO GAME!
[4:06:36 AM] Lynk: E FOR EDUCATIONAL!
[4:06:39 AM] Lynk: AHAHAHAHAHAHA
[4:06:42 AM] Lynk: AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHAAAHHAAAHHAAAAAAAAAA
[4:06:46 AM] Lynk: PORTAL 2!!!!!!
[4:06:55 AM] Lynk: AAAAAHAHAHA *dies laughing*
[4:07:14 AM] Lynk: EDUCATIONAL!!
[4:06:23 AM] Lynk: News station: Portal 2 is offensive to orphans- Destructoid AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
[4:06:33 AM] Lynk: KIDS VIDEO GAME!
[4:06:36 AM] Lynk: E FOR EDUCATIONAL!
[4:06:39 AM] Lynk: AHAHAHAHAHAHA
[4:06:42 AM] Lynk: AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHAAAHHAAAHHAAAAAAAAAA
[4:06:46 AM] Lynk: PORTAL 2!!!!!!
[4:06:55 AM] Lynk: AAAAAHAHAHA *dies laughing*
[4:07:14 AM] Lynk: EDUCATIONAL!!
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#19 | 19 May 2011, 6:12 PM
@chat snippet: Well, to be honest both games do have a certain educational value. Turn on the dev commentary and you'll see what I mean - especially in Portal (1). 
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